Space Apps Challenge 2018

Let´s take Voyager: our assumption is that it will never leave the helipause because it marks a frontier between a convergent and a divergent zone. This we cannot understand intuitively, but mathematically, we only can integrate a function to infinite when the limit to infinity converges. That way, if the heliopause marks this frontier, the speceship cannot leave because there is no possibility of calculating the volume outside. Also, we think this frontier marks a limit between positive and negative magnetism but this is another story...

There must be another way to get out. We think that other objects that come from the outside could have arrived by other means that we ignore.

But let´s go back to the challenge...

Comments to the photo ( texts in the photo are in spanish):

Example: For a two dimensional being who wants to leave earth, it cannot, because it doesn´t know about the third dimension ( to go up). We consider that it´s possible that the same happens when leaving the solar system. We can only think in 3 dimensions and think of space as "linear": It´s enough to throw the space ship to space and let it go out into the interestellar space just going forward. But is this true? Can it be that we are missing something? See next photo in the next post.

First conclusions:

We cannot aspire to communicate with aliens that are too different from us. First, they have to be able to perceive ( with their senses or sensors) in at least one of the mediums known by us. Second, they need to have a similar intelligence than ours and communicate by symbols (we also include as symbols: images, sounds, waves of any kinds, codes etc.)

Why?: We have on earth other species that we are investigating about how they communicate ( or if they communicate at all) without arriving at any conclusions yet, considering that we even share the same enviroment and physicality. If we aren´t able to know how to communicate with them ( although they share social orders and coordination), how can we even think about how to communicate with possible aliens that don´t share so much with us? ( senses, enviroment etc.)

On the other hand we have serious doubts about the way we think about interestelar travel. This is out of the challenge objectives, but related to it. We want to share briefly in another post our thoughts, before continuing with the challenge.

Working on questions:

What are the limits of who and what we can communicate? Can they be overcome? How?

Who: What senses/sensors do Aliens have to get input. Is their intelligence similar to ours? Do they process that input in a similar way?

We don´t know.

How can we maximize the possibilities of being "heard" at least? Sending all kinds of known signals simultaneously with patterns that are recognizable as artificial.

What: Can aliens interpret the meaning of our message? How can we teach them the way to interpret our symbols?

We don´t know if they can interpret meanings. But if they do, we need something in common to start with. And we have at least one thing: we live in the same universe. We could communicate a position in it: the earth for example. If we get to that, perhaps we can build a "Rosseta stone" out of translating this information.

Summary of our thoughts until now:

We can try to send all kind of known signals possible in a way that its patterns can be recognized as artificial. While all signals send by the spacecraft transmit the same message ( a position in the universe to begin with, because at least this we have in common : we live in the same universe. But still don´t know how to symbolize it and make it understandable), certain aliens (who can at least get one of those signals, and know about nature enough that they recognize it as artificial), can trace back the origin of the signal and the spacecraft (if they have enough knowledge) to earth to start with.

Other considerations:

1.Would it be possible that our system sends back a signal of some kind if the message is received? Or activate something special that can help in communicating?

2.Material wise, we are checking out archmission foundation (https://archmission.org/).

Researching:

-Past attempts

-Exolingüistics

-Stephen Wolfram´s approach:

http://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2018/01/showing-off...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/03/stephen-wol...

"But in reality I think this is a deep—and in some ways unsolvable—philosophical problem, that’s connected to fundamental issues about knowledge, communication and meaning." Stephen Wolfram-Unconventional approaches: Psychics, etc.

-Realizing why we don´t work for NASA.